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30: What can Liam Corcoran, teacher/rapper/artist, teach you about networking?

Liam Corcoran is a Teacher, Rapper, and Artist. He’s also the Founder of an education startup called OK. He is one of the founding teachers at Synthesis, the online program that evolved out of Elon Musk’s school at SpaceX.

He also served as an Acton Academy Guide. Liam’s thoughtfulness, openness to connection, and clarity of purpose have lead him on an adventure of fulfilling opportunities. His story and philosophy are worth listening to.

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Paris Vega (00:00.982)
Welcome to the First Customers podcast. Today we have Liam Corcoran. He’s the founder of an education startup called OK. He’s also a found, he was a founding teacher at Synthesis, an online program formed out of a school at SpaceX. You may have heard of it as Elon Musk experimental school that he had with his, he had started with somebody for his kids. But Liam also was an acting Academy guide. So Liam, welcome to the show.

Liam Corcoran (00:31.263)
Thank you. Thank you for having me.

Paris Vega (00:33.934)
Thanks for making time for us today. All right, so as you know, the focus of our show is to talk about how different business owners, entrepreneurs, sales, marketing folks, how they got their first customers or helped businesses get their first customers. So tell us, Liam, how’d you get your first customers, man?

Liam Corcoran (00:57.387)
Well, it all started with me trying to figure out what to do with my life. So I had a really poor educational experience growing up. And I finally found an opportunity to actually learn in a way that was meaningful to me in my senior year of high school. I left the high school that I had been at and

I went into this program where I could do whatever I wanted. Literally anything. It was like, you tell us what you wanna do and we’ll tell you how you can get credit for that at school. And it completely changed my life. And that year I studied hip hop. I rapped, I wrote just pages and pages of lyrics and got an English credit for that.

Liam Corcoran (01:56.327)
I had a radio show, I had an internship at a music label, and I studied business as well. I didn’t exactly know what I wanted to do, but music business was an idea I had, because I love music, and I thought that could be a way I could kinda get involved. I thought it’d be interesting to work with artists as an artist myself. So.

Paris Vega (01:58.188)
sense?

Paris Vega (02:20.030)
Okay, so the rest of this podcast will be done in bars. Continue.

Liam Corcoran (02:23.831)
Yes, yes. All right. So I was 19 and I had a dream. But no, that would be really impressive if I could do that. But freestyling has never been my my strong suit. I could we could do a written version of this and maybe I could do my whole life story right now. But yeah, so I, I

Paris Vega (02:45.274)
Yeah.

Liam Corcoran (02:51.659)
thought about music business, but then I kind of switched my focus more towards focusing locally on like my community. I don’t remember exactly what it was that turned me away from music business. I know I visited a school in Florida and I just didn’t really like the energy there and I realized that I might get caught in an industry which was more exploitative and

just kind of like a big space where I wouldn’t be able to make a real meaningful difference. And I grew up as a very privileged person, and I think my parents made me aware of that. And that made me recognize that I had an opportunity to like give back to the world. And so, yeah, I decided to study social entrepreneurship at a local college.

Liam Corcoran (03:50.163)
And I didn’t exactly want to get right into school. So thankfully my brother had taken a gap year and that inspired me to do the same. So I just bagged coffee at a local coffee company for like nine months and made a bunch of money. And then went to Europe and traveled, did things that a young person wants to do. And yeah, then I came back and went to school.

Liam Corcoran (04:20.479)
and started school as a 20 year old. So that really kind of shaped the way that I went through that year. And it was fun, I enjoyed school. I enjoyed all my classes for the most part, except maybe like financial accounting. That’s never been my strong suit. But it was a good experience.

Paris Vega (04:43.319)
Yeah.

Liam Corcoran (04:48.203)
But the thing is that I looked around and I realized that a lot of the people who were also freshmen at the time didn’t really have an idea of who they were and what they wanted to do with their lives. And I thought this was a crisis because I was like, all right, y’all are here spending $40,000 a year to go to a private college and you’re just kind of like figuring it out.

Liam Corcoran (05:18.811)
And I thought that was insane. I was spending still quite a bit of money, but not quite that, because I was in the state, thankfully. But I thought that was wild. And I had spent a lot of my gap year researching what it meant to be human by reading different religious texts. Like I read the Bible, the Quran, ancient philosophy. And then that got me into like,

Paris Vega (05:19.297)
Yeah.

Liam Corcoran (05:48.055)
current psychology and neuroscience and trying to understand like what it meant to be human and what our potential was as a species. And so, you know, I thought I was 20 years old, I thought I was, you know, I knew everything. And I was like, all right, we got to do something to solve this problem. So this idea came to me of creating a brand that instead of trying to sell you something,

and having a logo that reminded you that you wanna buy something and that you need something, you would need to fill this hole within you, the brand instead would just reflect back to you yourself. And it would just make you think about who you are as a person, and make you think about how much you care about the people in your life. And I thought of this idea, it could be a little stick figure.

It could be very simple, black and white, and call it okay. And that’s kind of all I had, and I decided to drop out of school. So yeah, then from there it was like, okay, I just dropped out of school, now I’ve got to figure out how to make a living and turn this not really much of an idea into something.

Paris Vega (06:56.310)
Hmm.

Liam Corcoran (07:12.103)
And I just started working odd jobs. At some point I was working like four jobs and just like putting things together as a college dropout and I started holding these meetings that were based upon this club that I started at my college called do you which was all about like Understanding yourself and figuring out what it meant to really be yourself. So I started these meetings

didn’t really know what I was doing, but I was like, let’s get together and talk about real things. Talk about who we are, who we wanna be. And that led me to, you know, like coaching a couple of friends of mine who were like, this is super fun. We really enjoy like thinking about these questions. And like, can you, you know, spend some time with us one-on-one doing more focused work? So I like.

just coached a couple of friends for free. I would meet up with them once a week. That was cool. I had no idea what I was doing, but they were, you know, trusting and willing to like learn with me. And then I’m getting to the first customer, I swear. It’s just a, it’s a long journey. It’s a long journey. So yeah, I just kept holding these meetings and iterating on, you know, what is a meaningful way that we could spend our time together? If we have an hour of time.

Paris Vega (08:22.229)
Oh, this is good.

Liam Corcoran (08:37.643)
And I’m trying to help people understand themselves and understand how they can make an impact on the world how can I do that so I just kept playing with ideas and I started holding these public meetings. It was just anyone in the community could come to I just posted in the newspaper which people actually use in our community and This guy that I had met through a friend of mine who was much older than us taking some like graduate courses

Um, he started coming into meetings and then he was like, Hey, can you coach me? I’ll pay you $20 an hour. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, don’t you shouldn’t pay me. You know, I, I don’t really know what I’m doing. Um, but he was like, no, I really value these experiences that I have at these group meetings. And I just like some time one-on-one to, you know, continue to talk about these things and have the.

support and accountability of someone who, you know, knows the importance of like developing, you know, practices like meditation or, you know, productivity practices. And so I started doing that. And that was that was my first customer is just $20, a $20 bill for an hour session. And that’s that’s how it all kind of got started.

Paris Vega (10:01.846)
So what did you do in that first session?

Liam Corcoran (10:06.667)
That is a great question. I tell people, so much of my work is about reflection and spending time thinking back about your experiences so that you can learn from them. Because so often, we just have experiences. And if we don’t take the time to think about them, then we might not be getting any value from them whatsoever.

Liam Corcoran (10:34.655)
We might internalize some things, which is good, but if we’re not really thinking critically about the past, then we’re missing a huge opportunity to learn. And one of the reasons why I do that is because of all the research that supports that, but also because I recognize that I’m really bad at reflecting. And it was something that I just wasn’t doing. And so this is an example of that. I don’t remember what we did in that first meeting, but I should, I should have record of that.

Paris Vega (11:03.510)
Yeah.

Liam Corcoran (11:03.935)
But you know, it was simple. Like my approach was, listen, I don’t know anything. I’m young, but all I can do is listen and ask questions and then encourage you and push you, right? And those things are normal things that like we do with our friends, but just going into that space and being intentional about it was, I guess, valuable to him. And…

And I guess has been to other people as well, because that’s continued to be my approach, obviously as I’ve refined it and learn things, but sticking to that core of just asking questions, encouraging, and helping people develop practices that can, you know, support their goals. That’s kind of the way we’ve done it.

Paris Vega (11:52.606)
Okay. That’s really cool. Um, so with all the AI tools coming out right now, this huge explosion that we’re seeing, uh, we were on vacation a week ago and, uh, I was talking to my assistant, the AI chat, GBT. And I was like, how can I get the most out of this vacation? And one of the things that said was like,

basically like meditation, reflection, or journaling about your experiences so that you can integrate them into your daily life moving forward. And I was like, Whoa, AI, easy there. Just counseling me. You know, I was like, man, that was, that was good. That was deep. But, uh, and so anyway, I tried some of that is, you know, I don’t really, uh, journal on a daily basis. Usually, you know, I’ve gotten kind of like a running Google doc that I use as kind of a way to.

Liam Corcoran (12:28.299)
Yeah.

Paris Vega (12:46.262)
just document thoughts and ideas and things, and it’s easily searchable, you know, to go back to. And then I’ll review it every once in a while. And anyway, so I tried some of that and it reminded me of what you were saying that taking that time to reflect. And it did. It’s like, it’s like marinating on the experiences the same way you get more out of a meal if you slow it down, you know, really think about what you’re eating and everything. And it seemed to have that similar effect on, you know, the vacation time and reflecting like what did we actually even do today?

I don’t even remember, you know, and going back through and just documenting, talking about how different things felt while we were doing different things. And it was cool. So, uh, that’s interesting that you brought that, that part up and that’s a big part of what you do. Uh, I wasn’t aware of that aspect of what you did. So that’s, that’s really neat because that’s been on my mind a lot lately after vacation, that whole idea of integrating experiences into your daily life. Like if there’s some way to benefit more from the things that happen.

Paris Vega (13:46.862)
through some kind of healthy process. And it sounds like you are in that space.

Liam Corcoran (13:53.363)
Yeah, absolutely. And I think part of it is like, just trying to figure out simple things that can make a big impact. And with reflection, one way I think about it is like, if you reflect, then you won’t be worrying about the past. If you set intentions and create clear goals,

you won’t be worrying about the future. You know where you’ve been, you know where you’re going, now you can be present. And I think that, you know, it’s a simple concept, but it actually, it’s hard in practice because it’s hard to make that time. You know, I think culturally, like, it’s difficult to carve out those times in our days. And obviously, like, every self-help person in the world is-

is telling us we need to do it. But that doesn’t make it easy because we live complicated lives. So yeah, I think just kind of reiterating that point is something that I’ve tried to do no matter where I am or what I’m doing.

Paris Vega (15:07.266)
So what are some of the maybe get into some of the details of like maybe some tactics that you would tell somebody or walk somebody through? Like is like journaling or meditation you mentioned? Is there anything else?

Liam Corcoran (15:20.755)
Yeah, so like I said, I’ve tried to experiment with a lot of things over the course of my work. But I think that when it comes down to it, I really like to hold the idea of practice above everything else. So making sure that you have reflective practice, you have a practice of thinking about the future. And

Paris Vega (15:26.690)
Yeah.

Liam Corcoran (15:50.751)
You know, if it’s setting a goal for the day or setting a goal for, you know, 10 years from now, fantastic. Right. Um, I always meet people where they’re at. Some people are, you know, hyper focused on success and moving things forward. Other people are really depressed and are just trying to get out of bed in the morning. Right.

Liam Corcoran (16:20.927)
of what practice will be different. But in the end, as long as you’re developing some practice, you’re building some sort of positive momentum and you’re building neural pathways in your brain, which are gonna make it easier for you to engage in that practice as you go forward. And it’s going to allow you to develop more practices, right? If you practice the skill of practicing or habit building.

Right. Then think about what you can do. It’s like, OK, well, now I want to learn something new. Fine. Right. You’ve been working on that skill for a long time. All it is is taking time to be focused on one thing and then spending some time reflecting on that and thinking about what you need to do next. The other thing that I love to talk about is flow. And the, well, actually, I’m going

pause there and just see what your understanding of flow is. Because I think that it’s something that, you know, some people know a lot about it. Some people don’t know anything.

Paris Vega (17:26.146)
Yeah. I think of flow, I think of like in the context of getting into a flow state, we’re into kind of work where you’re not worried about the time or anything. You’re just in the moment of doing whatever you’re doing. You feel good while you’re doing it. You’re kind of an uninterrupted flow of work or activity.

Liam Corcoran (17:47.623)
Exactly. Right. And so that concept was really powerful to me when I learned about it. And I realized that, you know, if we can help people get into flow states more, you know, we can experience more joy, more productivity, and our lives can kind of drastically change if we remember like a few simple things.

Um, and so one of my favorite things regarding flow, I won’t go into every detail of it, um, is just the idea of having a diversified flow portfolio, as I call it. Um, and so, you know, you might meet someone who really like derives all their happiness from one activity and their self-worth is really tied to maybe their job or, you know, a hobby of theirs, but

You know, let’s say if you’re a tennis player, what happens if you break your hand and you can’t play tennis for a few months? You know, you were getting a lot of joy out of tennis and now all of that’s gone. So it’s important to have multiple sources of joy. And that is just like, you can address that simply by taking stock of your life and identifying the different activities where you experience joy.

And thinking about, all right, is this enough? Like, are there some different ways that I could experience it? Like, should I make sure that I’m doing some sort of physical activity and meeting new people and learning something new all the time so that you’re not fully invested in one thing?

Paris Vega (19:44.782)
That’s cool. So that’s the flow portfolio. Multiple ways of getting into the flow state. That’s cool. I think it’s interesting that, um, the way you got your first customer, it kind of follows this pattern. I’m seeing this whatever meta pattern or something, but across all the different people I’ve talked to, it seems like people who talk to the people or the target audience target potential customer.

Liam Corcoran (19:47.331)
Yeah.

Paris Vega (20:14.510)
or their target customers, the ones who talk to them before they start their business, seem to have that best chance of getting some traction, getting those first customers. And it seems like that’s what you did. You were meeting, you weren’t charging anybody anything at first, you were kind of getting deeper into, I guess the community of what ended up being your customers before ever asking for money or anything. You were just learning.

about your target audience. And so that’s interesting that that’s a similar pattern that I see across all these other types of businesses. The ones who have that strongest connection with their target audience, have an easier time getting those first customers. So how did you get customers after that first $20 bill or how did your business grow after that?

Liam Corcoran (21:06.407)
Yeah. So my business has been all about just following whatever opportunity is in front of me. Because I’ve never known exactly what it is I should be doing. Right. I know, I know it’s in what it involves. I know that it’s about helping people understand their power and develop it. But that can take a lot of forms. So

Liam Corcoran (21:35.327)
I really just kind of follow the serendipity that presents itself to me. And the reason why I can do that is because I haven’t gone full time with my business, right? If I was trying to make a consistent salary and hire other people, then I would need to be really focused on developing a target market and building that audience and scaling of these different things.

What I’ve done is continue to work for projects that are aligned with my values. And then on the side or in tandem, um, continue to do my work and learn and just like go wherever it takes me. So I’ll give you another example. Um, there was this thing called a Petra Kucha night, which is this Japanese, uh, concept of just like.

Liam Corcoran (22:32.791)
sharing an idea for, I think, like eight minutes. And every slide is like 20 seconds. And it’s very constrained. You like have to follow this format. But it’s just a way of like bringing people together and sharing lots of ideas. So it was something that was just happening in my community. And me and my friend who was involved in OK at the time, just like coming to the free meetings, and he was one of the people that I had done coaching with, we decided to do it.

And so we just shared what we had been doing. And afterwards, this woman came up to me and was like, this was really interesting. Would you be interested in coming and running one of these sessions at this place that I run? And the reason why I stumble there is because it was a residential house for students in college who need extra support, so who might have learning disabilities or developmental disabilities.

Liam Corcoran (23:32.659)
And yeah, that was a place. Sorry, I’m in New York City. If you heard that, the sound of the streets.

Paris Vega (23:39.447)
Yeah, I did.

Liam Corcoran (23:42.699)
But that was a place where I ran workshops for, I think, the next year, every week. And that was just pure serendipity, right? It was just sharing my idea with the world and seeing what came of it. And then from there, I think the, the next story I would share is that I went to a conference in Long Island to present.

the work of an ed tech company that I was working for and I had gotten that job completely serendipitously from a former teacher of mine Who was my teacher in that senior year of high school who helped change my life? by giving me the freedom to learn what I wanted and She started a company around that concept trying to create tech to enable that

Paris Vega (24:23.790)
Okay.

Liam Corcoran (24:37.859)
And so I started working with them just like doing whatever, you know, like anything that they needed done when there was maybe six employees. And then I became the implementation manager. So taking the technology and giving it to schools, training the teachers, students, administrators how to use it. And I was doing this presentation at a conference they had sent me down to do it. And the conference had tech issues.

Liam Corcoran (25:07.915)
and I wasn’t able to do the presentation. And this is a tech presentation. Like I’m showing everyone how the technology works. And I found out that I wasn’t going to be able to do it, like moments before I was supposed to start. So I decided to do an OK workshop. And I was like, OK, pivot. Fine, I’ll just do something that I know will be of interest to people.

Paris Vega (25:12.085)
Mm.

Liam Corcoran (25:36.987)
And so I do this workshop and one of the people there, um, two years later reaches out to me and asks me to come to their, uh, high school and do like a keynote presentation. And that was my first ever like paid speaking engagement, um, where, you know, I got up on stage, talked to the high schoolers for an hour. Um, I performed some music.

and told them about my life story and how service had been like at the center of it. Being of service to people, doing volunteer work, which is kind of a whole other story. But that was just complete serendipity, right? I’m just thrown in this situation where I have to pivot and so I share something that is genuine and someone connects with it. And then someone else in that room invited me to another conference.

And I go to that conference, meet their boss, and they invite me to come start an act in Academy at their homeschooling center. And that meant I left Vermont, which I had always said I was never going to leave. But I go down to Connecticut of all places, which I knew nothing about. I had no interest in moving there. But they gave me this opportunity to run my own school. And I couldn’t turn it down.

Liam Corcoran (27:04.476)
It was a way for me to really test myself and also to make an impact on students’ lives. And yeah, those two things happened just because of doing this kind of spur-of-the-moment workshop.

Paris Vega (27:20.930)
Huh, okay, putting yourself out there and then getting referrals from there. Yeah, that’s cool. So do you still do speaking engagements and that kind of thing, or are you just focused on other types of work now?

Liam Corcoran (27:35.699)
Yeah, so right now I am doing synthesis, which I can actually draw a line to synthesis from this past story, which could be interesting. And then I’m also managing a co-working space because I got tired of working at synthesis, which is purely online. And I am living in New York City, and I was like, what would be an interesting way to meet people?

Paris Vega (27:47.694)
Okay, yeah.

Liam Corcoran (28:04.655)
and get out of the house every day. And so I found a job at a coworking space and now I meet someone new every single day, which is endlessly fascinating. And then I still do Synthesis part-time and I still run free, okay workshops. So yeah, the way that I ended up at Synthesis though was I ran this Acton Academy for a year.

Liam Corcoran (28:35.971)
It was with elementary age students though. Um, and I wanted to work with teens, but kind of like after hiring me, they were like, oh, sorry, like we really need someone to do the elementary age kids. We have someone for the teens, but they couldn’t do elementary. Could you do it? You have experience with that age group. And so I said, yes. And that year I started off with two students in my micro school, two seven year olds.

Liam Corcoran (29:05.227)
And then by the end of the year, I had nine students. And so I was the teacher, but then I would also, give tours to prospective families and try and sell them on this idea of joining, a couple other kids who are different ages, because this is a program where, seven through 12 year olds all learn together. And I had to sell them on,

on this idea, seldom on this philosophy that I’m not going to be teaching their kids anything. I’m just going to be facilitating their learning. So they’re going to be spending three hours in the morning learning online, and I’m not going to answer any questions that they have. I’m just going to ask them questions to help them get to the answer and help them figure out how they can solve the problems they’re experiencing. And so that was a great experience in sales.

Paris Vega (30:03.446)
Yeah.

Liam Corcoran (30:03.571)
you know, inspire people to understand that this could have an impact on their lives and, you know, also connect with people in a real way because I’m their salesperson and I’m going to be their teacher. So I can’t, I can’t be saying anything that’s not true either, right? I have to be a hundred percent honest and truthful with them. So after that experience, thankfully I was able to hand off the school to someone else who really wanted to do it.

So they took it over, and the next year I kind of mentored them as they continued it, but I was able to create a program for the teens at the co-working, or at the homeschooling space. And that was purely based on my OK philosophy and the work I had done. So I gave them coaching, and then we had an hour each morning as a group. And

Paris Vega (30:47.106)
OK.

Liam Corcoran (31:01.791)
We would do a lot of reflection, a lot of goal setting. And then I created this game that would enable them to learn about finance, civics, and health. And it was not a great game. But I started playing with this idea of, how could I create an experience where the students have the power over what they do?

And I thought a game would be an interesting way to do that. So I give them a set of challenges, but they can kind of move through those challenges as they see fit. And they have to work collaboratively to figure out what they want to do, how they’re going to do it. And yeah, that was my first foray into games and education. And then just through a random connection during the pandemic, I ended up creating this custom game.

for a family and they paid me $100 an hour to come to their house and facilitate this game for five kids that I created each week for them. And that was the first time I realized that maybe I could be worth $100 an hour. That totally changed my conception of my value because I really have been always like, oh yeah, I’ll do everything for free.

Paris Vega (32:07.570)
Hmm.

Paris Vega (32:12.810)
Oh wow.

Paris Vega (32:25.463)
Yeah, yeah.

Liam Corcoran (32:30.571)
$20, don’t give me $20, let me do it for free. And yeah, I’ve no.

Paris Vega (32:36.258)
Is that a Vermont influence or is that just the way you were raised?

Liam Corcoran (32:41.599)
You know, I think there’s a negative side to it, right? So it’s like not valuing yourself, right? And my dad is also very like self-effacing and would never, you know, is always like willing to do things for free or just help out. So I, yeah, yeah. He’s been leading a nonprofit for like 10 years, making like no money, but working his ass off.

Paris Vega (32:44.427)
Yeah.

Paris Vega (32:59.882)
Yeah, real servant-hearted sounds like, service-minded.

Paris Vega (33:11.211)
Yeah, yeah.

Liam Corcoran (33:12.055)
Um, so yeah, I think I learned it from that, but also, you know, at the end of the day, like with this type of work, um, it, it gives me so much, um, satisfaction to help people, right. And I also feel like everyone should have access to this for free, right. Uh, everyone in the world should have someone willing to ask them questions, encourage them and help them figure out.

how to be a happy person. But on the other side of things, it’s also important to get money so that you can invest in yourself. You can, when you get more money, you’re able to reach more people. So that’s been a slow, slow lesson that I’ve been learning.

Paris Vega (33:48.686)
Yeah, yeah.

Liam Corcoran (34:09.075)
But this experience, you know, being paid $100 an hour was different to me. Um, and I was, I was like, okay. Um, and then I saw this job posting on LinkedIn by Josh Don, the founder of synthesis, um, who I’d just been following on LinkedIn, uh, for a few years because I had heard about the school he started, um, at SpaceX and I was curious about it and there was just no information online. Um, so I was like, I’ll just follow this guy, see what happens. You posted this and I was like, oh.

This is games and education. Um, this is perfect. And so I applied and.

Paris Vega (34:43.050)
Yeah, sounds like your past experience perfectly lines up with it.

Liam Corcoran (34:47.207)
Yeah, and two years earlier, it wouldn’t have, but I just kind of gotten interested in this idea of games and education. And I, of course, was nervous I wasn’t going to get the job, but there was perfect alignment. And so from the start, it was kind of a dream come true to be able to work with Synthesis and be part of something that their goal is to impact a billion students.

Liam Corcoran (35:17.279)
They’re shooting for global influence. And so it’s been great to be a part of that.

Paris Vega (35:26.018)
really cool. So I’m pulling little principles out from what you’re saying as we go here. And every episode I try to learn what I can from each person and see how it contrasts with what I’m doing. So I’m sitting here in my home office, working remote, never seeing anybody new. And there’s definitely value to putting yourself in those kinds of situations like you’re saying.

Paris Vega (35:55.806)
managing that, that coworking space, because you kind of increase the chances for some serendipitous connection. You know, the more exposure you get to more people, the more connections you make, the higher the chance that one of those connections is going to lead to something either profitable or good for your life or something positive, you know. And it seems like that’s one of the principles I’m seeing that you follow is doing things that increase the opportunity for like a…

Paris Vega (36:26.834)
outsized reward, you know, even though it’s not just for the sake of a reward, the way you’re doing things, the reason you’re doing things, but it’s like, that’s what you’re putting yourself in is these situations that are low with low risk, high reward potential situations. Where, yes, if you could analyze and say, well, he could be making more money doing this or that or whatever, but it’s like you’re optimizing for connection, which is interesting.

Liam Corcoran (36:41.494)
Absolutely.

Liam Corcoran (36:53.199)
Absolutely. Yeah. There was a quote that was on the desk of one of my college professors. And I believe to quote, I think I can quote it correctly, which is, fortune favors the prepared. And I’ve heard iterations of that. And I’m sorry, I can’t attribute it to the correct person. But

That quote has stuck with me. And I think there’s something really powerful about, you know, being ready for serendipity, right? Good luck, bad luck. Like, if you are prepared to receive good luck, then you’re more likely to be able to receive it, right? If you put yourself in situations where you could be lucky, then you’re more likely to.

Paris Vega (37:52.746)
Yeah. If you never roll the dice, you’ll never roll sixes or whatever is good to roll. Okay. Cool. All right. And so you got to synthesis through, you know, this process of putting yourself out there, getting connections and referrals and just from doing things. And then you got that job. And so now is that the state of things is where you’re at synthesis part time.

Liam Corcoran (37:58.439)
Absolutely.

Paris Vega (38:22.314)
Managed the co-working space and then the okay meetings is what they’re called.

Liam Corcoran (38:28.311)
That’s right. Yeah. And so, you know, I’m also rapping. So I continue to rap.

Paris Vega (38:35.714)
Oh, shoot. Do you have like a name for the mic or for the stage or whatever?

Liam Corcoran (38:42.119)
Absolutely. So if you search Moses Rainbow on Instagram, you’ll find my Instagram. And that’s actually my middle name. You can’t make these things up. Moses Rainbow, yeah. The whole thing, the whole thing, yep, yep. Tells you a little, no, no, tells you a little bit about growing up in Vermont.

Paris Vega (38:47.746)
Oh shoot! Moses Rainbow!

Paris Vega (38:56.578)
Moses. Nice. Moses Rainbow, the whole thing is your middle name. Whoa. OK, I thought you just meant Moses.

Liam Corcoran (39:12.103)
the kind of parents I have.

Paris Vega (39:12.126)
parents. Yeah, very Vermont.

Paris Vega (39:17.726)
Okay, cool. So they can check you out. Moses Rainbow, are you on like Spotify and that kind of thing? Anything released?

Liam Corcoran (39:24.387)
I’m everywhere where people find people. Yeah, Moses Rainbow and then Loki, L-O-K-I. Loki the Nameless is my rapper name. So Moses Rainbow is kind of like a catch-all for the different artistic things I do because I do other things kind of serendipitously, like if I find the opportunity to. But yeah, no.

Paris Vega (39:36.178)
Oh, okay.

Paris Vega (39:42.754)
Okay.

Paris Vega (39:50.942)
Yeah. Dude, we missed out on the intro. I should have added rapper and artists and all this other stuff to the intro earlier.

Liam Corcoran (39:56.659)
That’s okay, you know, you gotta have some secrets that surprise people.

Paris Vega (40:03.438)
Cool. All right, well, everybody listening, check out Loki the Nameless on Spotify and all the places, Moses Rainbow on all the social media platforms, and we’ll have some show notes with links to everything you’re involved with, and your LinkedIn and whatever company links you wanna put in there. But Liam, thanks for being on the show, man. This has been really interesting. It’s cool to hear your perspective. It’s a lot different than a lot of the other.

businesses I’ve talked to, a lot of other entrepreneurs and stuff. It’s kind of a refreshing, peaceful take. You’ve got a very well thought, like a thoughtful approach to things. It’s really cool.

Liam Corcoran (40:44.787)
I appreciate you reaching out and making this happen. The last thing I’ll say is I have never really taken the approach where I need to make my business my full-time job and grow it. However, okay, from day one, I knew I was gonna work on it for the rest of my life. And I still am working on it.

And I also, you know, we’ll see where it goes, right? So I’ve also like developed a web app. That’ll be the final thing that I plug here. So flowers.community is a place where you can go and you can reflect on who you are and who you wanna become. And when you sign up, you get a reminder each year on your birthday to engage in this process.

Paris Vega (41:19.191)
Yeah.

Paris Vega (41:23.216)
Okay. Yeah.

Paris Vega (41:41.088)
Oh, that’s cool.

Liam Corcoran (41:41.215)
And so that’s a project that I’m going to continue to develop. And I want to continue to create spaces and ways for people to understand and develop their power. And I’ll be doing it for the rest of my life. So if anyone is interested in following a very, very long journey that will probably yield way too many free things that

Liam Corcoran (42:09.355)
give you outsized impact in your life. I look forward to connecting. I also am happy just to have conversations with anyone anytime as we’ve learned today. But yeah, Paris, thank you so much. And I hope to continue talking to you and learn from you more.

Paris Vega (42:28.214)
Yeah, for sure. All right, everybody, we’ll see you next week. Bye.


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